Remember this classic train wreck scene from the Fugitive?
1.- Go get him! They had a search range of 6 miles to find their man. Your search range to find the God-Man is between chapters 3 through 10 of John. Squad 1, cover ch.5. Squad 2, search ch.6. Squad 3, scour ch.7. Squad 4, comb the woods of ch.7. Squad 5 fan out over ch.10. And Squad 6 (Pastor Mike), please double back and check out ch.3. To narrow down our search, I want you just to focus on finding anything that our subject reveals about his relationship with his Father. Each of you jot down one of your sightings. Write out a verse or phrase where Jesus speaks of his relation with his Father.
The Father/Son relationship is a big and important theme in the gospel of John. I will take all your findings and pull them together into one list and share it with you soon. By the way, what we are doing is called systematic theology. You take all the theological teachings you can find on a given subject and organize them (systematize them- thus the name, systematic theology.) We are limiting our search to a very small area- a few chapters in John. Imagine if you had to scour the entire terrain of the Bile to search for all the teachings on what it revealed about Jesus' relation to His Father? Now imagine you had to do that for everything else the Bible teaches about Christ. That would be a huge undertaking! Thankfully scholars have already done such. It's called Christology (the study of Christ). Other branches of systematic theology go by funny Greek names like anthropology (the study of man), hamartiology (the study of sin. Many of us have personally done that already:), soteriology (the study of salvation), pnuematology (the study of the Holy Spirit), ecclesiology (the study of the church). Then there are a few you would recognize like angelology, demonology, Israelology, bibliology (the study of the Bible) and eschatology (the study of the end times). By the way, if you wanted to take a seminary course on the study of God himself, that course would be called Theology Proper (Theos means God). No, there will not be a pop quiz on those Greek words. If you wanted to buy the writings of bible scholars on systematic theology, do you want to buy a single volume or would you like a multi volume set, like this set my sister gave me by Dr. Lewis Sperry Chafer?
But why buy such, when now there is so much for free online? Here's the link to a one volume tome by Louis Berkhof- https://www.biblicaltraining.org/library/toc/systematic-theology/louis-berkhof (I just gave you a great resource book for free. Ain't I generous? :) Bookmark that link and add that book of theology to your online bookshelf. You are building a great library of resource tools.
2.- Today, I just want you to become aware of what's in your new theology book. So click the above link and then click on a doctrine (teaching) you are interested in. You'll need to click on the topic on the left side for it to open up. Then click as needed to narrow your subject. Now just copy and paste one brief statement you came across from Berkhof's writings. Thanks for enriching me and your brothers.
Here's a good outreach opportunity Gary saw and took- "Just recently I was washing clothes at the laundromat. An older lady approached me and started a light discussion. She was reflecting on how people would rather avoid conversations or would not respond to small talk at all. I mentioned to her there is a great joy in conversing and just speaking to one another. She was grateful for the talk. I stepped to my car to get one of the mini movie cards and I handed it to her. She said, 'Thank you very much.' So I also prayed for her before I left the place." That's excellent Gary! You even prayed for her!
2.- Today, I just want you to become aware of what's in your new theology book. So click the above link and then click on a doctrine (teaching) you are interested in. You'll need to click on the topic on the left side for it to open up. Then click as needed to narrow your subject. Now just copy and paste one brief statement you came across from Berkhof's writings. Thanks for enriching me and your brothers.
Here's a good outreach opportunity Gary saw and took- "Just recently I was washing clothes at the laundromat. An older lady approached me and started a light discussion. She was reflecting on how people would rather avoid conversations or would not respond to small talk at all. I mentioned to her there is a great joy in conversing and just speaking to one another. She was grateful for the talk. I stepped to my car to get one of the mini movie cards and I handed it to her. She said, 'Thank you very much.' So I also prayed for her before I left the place." That's excellent Gary! You even prayed for her!
See you Sunday at 2:00 sharp for our M3 meeting at Jack's home- 10747 Cherrywood Dr. Palos Park. It will be great to meet with brothers from other locations. We've got some special people and things to present, so see you there. Thanks for financially contributing to the cause.
Thanks also for remembering to put your points on the board. You lighten my load by faithfully doing that.
The verse that stood out to me was 37 "All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away.” Thank you Jesus for not rejecting me nor driving me away.
ReplyDelete"In view of the fact that sin is real and that no man can get away from it in this present life, it is no wonder that philosophers as well as theologians undertook to grapple with the problem of sin, though in philosophy it is known as the problem of evil rather than as the problem of sin.” - II. The Essential Character of Sin - Man in the State of Sin - Part Two: The Doctrine of Man in Relation to God - Systematic Theology By Louis Berkhof
Excellent Dave! You were the first to comment this morning and set a great example for others to follow.
DeleteYes amen Dave we are all so thankful that Jesus did not reject us.
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ReplyDelete1." I and my Father are one." John 10:30
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1. John 10:40 "I and the Father are one"
ReplyDeleteThere is no way of denying who Jesus was, He himself states it in this verse. He and God are one!.
2. Predestination: " The word “predestination” is not always used in the same sense. Sometimes it is employed simply as a synonym of the generic word “decree.” In other cases it serves to designate the purpose of God respecting all His moral creatures. Most frequently, however, it denotes “the counsel of God concerning fallen men, including the sovereign election of some and the righteous reprobation of the rest." Berkof
We thing alike on this one Roger, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, all in one
DeleteVery good Roger on both 1 & 2.
Delete1.- Squad 5 Jn.10
ReplyDeleteVerse 30 - I and the Father are one.
"I and the Father" means that the Father and the Son are not the same person
"are one" means that the Father and the Son are equal in nature
The Father and Son have this unique unity because they are equally and totally God - that is, divine being.
2.- Part 6-The Doctrine of the Last Things; Individual Eschatology;
♊️ The Immortality of the Soul;
Testimony of special revelation to the immortality of the Soul:
2. The doctrine of immortality in the New Testament:
c. To the blessed life of believers in communion with God. There are numerous passages in the New Testament which stress the fact that the immortality of believers is not a bare endless existence, but a rapturous life of bliss in communion with God and with Jesus Christ, the full fruition of the life that is implanted in the soul while still on earth. This is clearly emphasized in such passages as Matt. 13:43; 25:34; Rom. 2:7,10; I Cor. 15:49; Phil. 3:21; II Tim. 4:8; Rev. 21:4; 22:3,4.
Excellent Armando! I like the way you broke down each part and commented on the separateness ad equality of the Father and the Son. And good quote from Berkhof. What a day of rejoicing that will be!
DeleteGreat job explaining Jesus and God the Father.
DeleteArmando good detailed work explaining John 10
Delete1. JOHN 7:16 So Jesus answered them, “My teaching is not mine, but his who sent me. 17 If anyone's will is to do God's will, he will know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own authority.
ReplyDelete2. FAITH - 2. It is also represented as a hungering and thirsting, an eating and drinking, Matt. 5:6; John 6:50-58; 4:14. When men really hunger and thirst spiritually, they feel that something is wanting, are conscious of the indispensable character of that which is lacking, and endeavor to obtain it. All this is characteristic of the activity of faith. In eating and drinking we not only have the conviction that the necessary food and drink is present, but also the confident expectation that it will satisfy us, just as in appropriating Christ by faith we have a certain measure of confidence that He will save us.
Great choices Horacio!
DeleteVery good Horacio! And so we rightly pray that the Lord would give us Hungry men and keep us that way.
DeleteThen Jesus, still teaching in the temple courts, cried out, “Yes, you know me, and you know where I am from. I am not here on my own authority, but he who sent me is true. You do not know him,
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THERE is a very close connection between the doctrine of man and the doctrine of Christ. The former deals with man, created in the image of God and endowed with true knowledge, righteousness and holiness, but through wilful transgression of the law of God despoiled of his true humanity and transformed into a sinner.
ReplyDeleteYes George, what a reminder of how far man has fallen. It isn't wonderful how high Christ has lifted us up! Eph.2:1-7.
Delete1. John 3:13 :No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man." Jesus existed with the Father in heaven from before time. He alone shares a home and a past with God the Father. 2. The Lords' Supper: The prevailing view in the Protestant Churches is, that the sacrament does not work ex opere operato. It is not itself a cause of grace, but merely an instrument in the hand of God. Its effective operation is dependent, not only on the presence, but on the activity, of faith in the recipient. Unbelievers may receive the external elements, but do not receive the thing signified thereby.
ReplyDeleteGood digging Mike. Isn't it amazing what good tools are now available to us on the internet?!
Delete1.John 5:17 Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working."
ReplyDelete2.PROTESTANT CONCEPTION. The Reformation was a reaction against the externalism of Rome in general, and in particular, also against its external conception of the Church. It brought the truth to the foreground once more that the essence of the Church is not found in the external organization of the Church, but in the Church as the communio sanctorum.
Thank you Dave for your research, very interesting.
DeleteI like your Latin Dave :) - "the communio sanctorum" the holy community.
Delete1. "Squad 3, scour ch.7"
ReplyDeletea. Jesus was God's Messenger v16
b. Jesus sought the glory of God v18
c. Jesus' authority is from God v28
d. Jesus comes/is from God v29
e. Jesus returns to God v33
F. Jesus sends the Holy Spirit from God v39
2. SYSTEMATIC THEOLOGY, BY LOUIS BERKHOF "The Exixtence of God"
"We start the study of theology with two presuppositions, namely (1) that God exists, and (2) that He has revealed Himself in His divine Word. And for that reason it is not impossible for us to start with the study of God. We can turn to His revelation, in order to learn what He has revealed concerning Himself and concerning His relation to His creatures."
Great scouring Robert!
DeleteThank you Lord for graciously revealing yourself and most perfectly in sending your Son.
Robert nice research. You can really dig for Gold. Continue leading the squad like you have been doing. You're doing a great Job. God bless
DeleteJohn 6:27 (NIV) Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”
ReplyDeleteA reminder not to lose the balance between earning money and doing the work of God. Have a blessed day.
2. The calling of the ordinary officers. This is twofold:
(1) Internal calling. It is sometimes thought that the internal calling to an office in the Church consists in some extraordinary indication of God to the effect that one is called, — a sort of special revelation. But this is not correct. It consists rather in certain ordinary providential indications given by God, and includes especially three things: (a) the consciousness of being impelled to some special task in the Kingdom of God, by love to God and His cause; (b) the conviction that one is at least in a measure intellectually and spiritually qualified for the office sought; and (c) the experience that God is clearly paving the way to the goal.
Sam great words of admonishment to keep everything in the proper balance.
DeleteVery good Sam. I agree with Berkhof. It's interesting that 1 Tim.3:1 says "If anyone sets his heart on being an overseer, he desires a noble task."It doesn't say, "If anyone is called..."
DeleteSam, great verse to choose. A Great reminder.
DeleteGod bless
1. Father Son relationship.
ReplyDeleteJohn 3:35The Father loves the Son and has placed everything in his hands.
2. This is what I got from the resource. Was looking at the covenant of Grace.
d. The Mediator of the covenant is the same yesterday, to-day, and forever, Heb. 13:8. In none other is there salvation, John 14:6; for neither is there any other name under heaven, that is given among men, whereby we must be saved, Acts 4:12. The seed promised to Abraham is Christ, Gal. 3:16, and those that are identified with Christ are the real heirs of the covenant, Gal. 3:16-29.
3. Wow. So encouraged by you MANLY Men who are pursuing Jesus and telling others about Him. These stories have been awesome and inspiring. Bless you all.
Good Eddie. We could praise God for the points made there. There's fuel for the fire, wood for worship. And so I will do just that.
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ReplyDelete1. – John 6:35 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.
ReplyDeleteJesus explained that the one who comes to Him - that is, receives Him, and believes upon Him - will find his spiritual hunger satisfied in Jesus.
2.
I. The Existence of God,
A. Place of the Doctrine of God in Dogmatics.
We start the study of theology with two presuppositions, namely (1) that God exists, and (2) that He has revealed Himself in His divine Word. And for that reason it is not impossible for us to start with the study of God. We can turn to His revelation, in order to learn what He has revealed concerning Himself and concerning His relation to His creatures. Attempts have been made in the course of time to distribute the material of Dogmatics in such a way as to exhibit clearly that it is, not merely in one locus, but in its entirety, a study of God. This was done by the application of the trinitarian method, which arranges the subject-matter of Dogmatics under the three headings of (1) the Father (2) the Son, and (3) the Holy Spirit.
Yes amen Oscar, anyone that receives and believes Him will be satisfied.
DeleteJohn 10:37 If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me
ReplyDeleteJesus came to our sinful world to introduce us to the father, He then divinely performed miracles be healing the sick, turning water to wine, feeding multitudes and much more. Most Jews of Jesus time hated him even much more thinking he was a blasphemy, thereby deserving to die.
A. Place of the Doctrine of God in Dogmatics.
WORKS on dogmatic or systematic theology generally begin with the doctrine of God. The prevailing opinion has always recognized this as the most logical procedure and still points in the same direction. In many instances even they whose fundamental principles would seem to require another arrangement, continue the traditional practice. There are good reasons for starting with the doctrine of God, if we proceed on the assumption that theology is the systematized knowledge of God, of whom, through whom, and unto whom, are all things. Instead of being surprised that Dogmatics should begin with the doctrine of God, we might well expect it to be a study of God throughout in all its ramifications, from the beginning to the end.
I especially like your opening words Lemmy, "Jesus came to our sinful world to introduce us to the father,"
DeleteI know a man who loves to talk about the advice his dad has given him. He seems to really admire his dad.
Jesus of course talked so much about his Father. I think he really admired him too and so should we all the more.
I especially like your opening words Lemmy, "Jesus came to our sinful world to introduce us to the father,"
DeleteI know a man who loves to talk about the advice his dad has given him. He seems to really admire his dad.
Jesus of course talked so much about his Father. I think he really admired him too and so should we all the more.
1- John 5:19. The relationship of the Father and Son is that of unity.
ReplyDeleteJesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.
2- The names of God
-B. The Old Testament Names and their Meaning.
YAHWEH and YAHWEH TSEBHAOTH. It is especially in the name Yahweh, which gradually supplanted earlier names, that God reveals Himself as the God of grace. It has always been regarded as the most sacred and the most distinctive name of God, the incommunicable name. The Jews had a superstitious dread of using it, since they read Lev. 24:16 as follows: “He that nameth the name of Yahweh shall surely be put to death.” And therefore in reading the Scriptures they substituted for it either ’Adonai or ’Elohim; and the Massoretes, while leaving the consonants intact, attached to them the vowels of one of these names, usually those of ’Adonai. The real derivation of the name and its original pronunciation and meaning are more or less lost in obscurity.
Brother Lou, great choice. I love all the descriptive names for God. Really expounds His nature and character.
DeleteI love your explanation of some of the names of God. In Hebrew, when you take the constants of Yahweh and add the vowels from Adonai, the result is the name "Jehovah".
DeleteVery good Luis! I just lost all I wrote you about Lev.24:16. Let's try again. The Jews followed the Septuagint (aka LXX, written around 250BC). It was not a very accurate translation in places. What the passage actually says is, "anyone who blasphemes the name of the Lord must be put to death." I wonder how many died at their hands for no right reason.
ReplyDeleteand it's time to eat. So when we see each other Sunday, please ask me about such. :)
John 6 - The Son's Relationship to the Father
ReplyDeletea. The Son gives thanks to the Father. (v. 11)
b. The Father has set His seal on the Son. (v. 27)
c. 5 times Jesus says that the Father has sent the Son. (v. 29, 38, 39, 44, 57)
d. The Son refers to God as "My Father" - it's personal, not just anyone's father. (v. 32)
e. The Son's purpose in life is to do His Father's will. (v.38)
f. It is the will of the Father that everyone who believes in Son has eternal life. (v. 40)
g. Twice Jesus says that no one comes to the Son unless the Father draws Him. (v. 44, 65)
h. Everyone who learns from the Father comes to the Son. (v. 45)
i. The Son has seen the Father. No one else has. (v. 46)
j. The Son lives because of the Father. (v. 57)
2. In regards to the trinity of God, "In view of the fact that there are three persons in God, it is better to say that God is personal than to speak of Him as a Person."
Excellent Tim! You're on your way to writing your own Johannine Christology :)
Delete1) “Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me.”
ReplyDeleteJohn 7:16 NIV
Good verse Ricardo.
DeleteAny thoughts from the the systematic theology book link? If you're having any problems with it, juslemeknow.
1. John 7:28-29 Then Jesus, still teaching in the temple courts, cried out, “Yes, you know me, and you know where I am from. I am not here on my own authority, but he who sent me is true. You do not know him, but I know him because I am from him and he sent me.
ReplyDeleteJesus talks about who he came from which is God. He says this at the Festival if Tabernacles.
2. From the Name and Concept of the Covenant. “Naturally, when God establishes a covenant with man, this monopleuric character is very much in evidence, for God and man are not equal parties. God is the Sovereign who imposes His ordinances upon His creatures.”
Great stuff my brother. Continue the great work on the blog.
DeleteOkay Chuy, you got me digging. I freely confess that I was not familiar with the term, "monopleuric" So my digging led me to another $10 word- "dipleuric". Here's what I discovered, for those so interested- "The terms "monopleuric" and "dipleuric" are crucial to understanding the Reformed doctrine of the covenant. For in these terms there is brought to expression the sides, parts, or parties that are in the covenant. The term "monopleuric" points out that the covenant relation is purely an act of God, an act of condescension or favor. Thus the covenant relation does not depend or wait upon the initiative of man. The term "dipleuric" makes us aware of the fact that man is made a partner, a covenant partner to the Lord God. Because God has freely brought man into covenant with Himself there are mutual obligations that devolve upon God and man. That is, there are conditions in or within the covenant relation freely established by the Lord." http://www.spindleworks.com/library/bratcher/Chapter_Two.htm (Man, we run the gamut from this to watching the Road Runner yesterday :)
DeleteChuy, you sound like a theologian. Thank the Lord that we do not have to be theologians to understand and know God. But the very best way to truly know God intimately is by following Jesus with our lives and obeying Him completely.
Delete1)So Jesus again said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. John 10:7
ReplyDelete2)Religion gradually took the place of God as the object of theology. Man ceased to recognize the knowledge of God as something that was given in Scripture, and began to pride himself on being a seeker after God.
ReplyDeleteWow! Great quote Andre! Rom.3:10-11 remind us that there are none who really seek after God.
Delete1- John 7:28-29New International Version (NIV)
ReplyDeleteJesus recognizes who sent him.
28 Then Jesus, still teaching in the temple courts, cried out, “Yes, you know me, and you know where I am from. I am not here on my own authority, but he who sent me is true. You do not know him, 29 but I know him because I am from him and he sent me.”
2- Names of God
SHADDAI and ’EL-SHADDAI. The name Shaddai is derived from shadad, to be powerful, and points to God as possessing all power in heaven and on earth. Others, however, derive it from shad, lord. It differs in an important point from ’Elohim, the God of creation and nature, in that it contemplates God as subjecting all the powers of nature and making them subservient to the work of divine grace. While it stresses the greatness of God, it does not represent Him as an object of fear and terror, but as a source of blessing and comfort. It is the name with which God appeared unto Abraham, the father of the faithful, Ex. 6:2.
Thank Vince! You bring back to mind an oldie but goodie- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKHa6Cm62uI
DeleteThank's for researching this wonderful name of God Vince. I know of this name of God from Michael Cards song. But I never took the time to check it out. I like this description of it > "While it stresses the greatness of God, it does not represent Him as an object of fear and terror, but as a source of blessing and comfort." I'm blessed by you brother.
Delete1) John 7:29 … but I know him because I am from him and he sent me.
ReplyDeleteIn John 7 there is no mention of the words, “father” or “son”. But Jesus does claim to know God in a familiar sense as physically having seen God. Declaring that close relationship to God was enough for the Jews to want to and try to seize Jesus, but were some how restrained from doing so.
2) 1. HISTORY OF THE DOCTRINE OF PROVIDENCE. With its doctrine of providence the Church took position against both, the Epicurean notion that the world is governed by chance, and the Stoic view that it is ruled by fate. From the very start theologians took the position that God preserves and governs the world. ….. Augustine led the way in the development of this doctrine. Over against the doctrines of fate and chance, he stressed the fact that all things are preserved and governed by the sovereign, wise, and beneficent will of God. He made no reservations in connection with the providence of God, but maintained the control of God over the good and the evil that is in the world alike. By defending the reality of second causes. he safeguarded the holiness of God and upheld the responsibility of man.
Thank you Dave and thank you Lord for being our providential God of love.
DeleteThanks for sharing that knowledge with was Dave! ;)
Delete1. John 6:40
ReplyDeleteFor it is my Father's will that everyone who sees his Son and believes in him should have eternal life-that I should raise him at the last days.
Scriptural proof for the existence of God:
ReplyDeleteThe Christian accepts the truth of the existence of God by faith. But faith is not a blind faith, but a faith that is based on evidence , and evidence is found primarily in Scripture as the inspired word of God,
I like it, I like it Louie! Thanks!
DeleteAstronomical finding there Louie!!!
Delete1. John 5:21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life's to who he is pleased to.
ReplyDelete2.In the early decades after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, the Christian Church spread rapidly and by the early second century had taken root in Egypt, Palestine, Syria, Mesopotamia, Asia Minor, Greece, Rome, and even further to the west. During the centuries that followed, significant structures of many varieties were erected throughout these areas—churches, chapels, monasteries. There were also tombs, catacombs, and various memorial structures. The churches contained a vast range of items of furniture used in their services: floor mosaics, painted frescoes, jeweled crosses
Good Phil! Your quote reminds us how the early church so rapidly. Why? Christ rose from the dead and changes lives. You are living proof :)
Delete1. John 10:16 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep.
ReplyDelete2. For that very reason we are not warranted to speak of the human nature of Christ as imperfect or incomplete. His human nature is not lacking in any of the essential qualities belonging to that nature, and also has individuality, that is, personal subsistence, in the person of the Son of God.
Good digging Jose!
DeleteGeorge said it well :)
Delete1 - Squad 5 – John 10:38 “But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”
ReplyDelete2 - THE SUFFERINGS OF THE SAVIOUR. Several points should be stressed in connection with the sufferings of Christ.
c. His sufferings resulted from various causes. In the last analysis all the sufferings of Christ resulted from the fact that He took the place of sinners vicariously. But we may distinguish several proximate causes, such as: (1) The fact that He who was the Lord of the universe had to occupy a menial position, even the position of a bond-servant or slave, and that He who had an inherent right to command was in duty bound to obey. (2) The fact that He who was pure and holy had to live in a sinful, polluted atmosphere, in daily association with sinners, and was constantly reminded of the greatness of the guilt with which He was burdened by the sins of His contemporaries. (3) His perfect awareness and clear anticipation, from the very beginning of His life, of the extreme sufferings that would, as it were, overwhelm Him in the end. He knew exactly what was coming, and the outlook was far from cheerful. (4) Finally, also the privations of life, the temptations of the devil, the hatred and rejection of the people, and the maltreatment and persecutions to which He was subjected.
Wow George, what a profound quote regarding the suffering of our Savior! Thank you and Thank You Lord.
Delete1) 30 “I and the Father are one.”
ReplyDelete37“If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me;
38but if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father.”
Jesus often speaks of His relationship with the Father to make clear that They are One yet somehow Separate.
2) VIII. The Holy Trinity
B. God as Trinity in Unity.
...when we speak of the Trinity of God, we refer to a trinity in unity, and to a unity that is trinal.
I should rephrase my point: "They are One yet somehow Separate" to "They are One yet somehow also individual".
DeleteThey are in no way separate, the Three are unity. A confusing thing to try and think about to remind us we are limited in our understanding.
I should rephrase my point: "They are One yet somehow Separate" to "They are One yet somehow also individual".
DeleteThey are in no way separate, the Three are unity. A confusing thing to try and think about to remind us we are limited in our understanding.
Good to read your thoughts Kevin. And we definitely experience our limited thinking abilities when we try and understand the trinity.
Delete1. Squad 3, Scour John 7 - God Relationship
ReplyDeletea. John 7:16 Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me.
b. John 7:28-29, Then Jesus, still teaching in the temple courts, cried out, “Yes, you know me, and you know where I am from. I am not here on my own authority, but he who sent me is true. You do not know him, 29 but I know him because I am from him and he sent me.”
c. John 7:33, Jesus said, “I am with you for only a short time, and then I am going to the one who sent me.
d. John 7:38-39, 38 Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.”[c] 39 By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.
e. John 7:42 Does not Scripture say that the Messiah will come from David’s descendants and from Bethlehem, the town where David lived?”
2. Thanks for the Reference!
.”[Quoted by Allen, Evolution in the Balances, p. 110.] Fleming, one of the most prominent present day scientists, says: “The upshot of it all is that we cannot arrange all the known fossil remains of supposed ‘man’ in a lineal series gradually advancing in type or form from that of any anthropoid ape, or other mammal, up to the modern and now existing types of true man. Any supposition or statement that it can be done, and is true, is certainly incorrect. It is certainly misleading and unspeakably pernicious to put forward in popular magazines or other publications read by children pictures of gorillas or chimpanzees labelled ‘Man’s cousin’ or ‘Man’s nearest relative,’ or to publish perfectly imaginary and grotesque pictures of a supposed ‘Java man’ with brutish face as an ancestor of modern man, as is occasionally done. Those who do such things are guilty of ignorance or deliberate mis-representation. Neither is it justifiable for preachers in the pulpit to tell their congregations that there is general agreement among scientific men as to the evolutionary origin of Man from an animal ancestor.”
Great find, Richard! As a teacher, I am always wary of even suggesting that man evolved from apes. Though I am a scientist at heart, having grown up around my scientist father's jarred specimens and collecting my own, I find it hard to accept the notion that a perfect God would create an imperfect life form requiring millions of years of evolution to finally reach its intended state. I'm glad to finally have some backing on this one. Thanks!
Delete1. John 7:28 "Then Jesus, still teaching in the temple courts, cried out, “Yes, you know me, and you know where I am from. I am not here on my own authority, but he who sent me is true. You do not know him, 29 but I know him because I am from him and he sent me.”
ReplyDelete2. 1. THE DISPENSATIONAL VIEW. According to Scofield “a dispensation is a period of time during which man is tested in respect of obedience to some specific revelation of the will of God.” “Each of the dispensations may be regarded as a new test of the natural man, and each ends in judgment, — marking his failure.” Every dispensation has a character of its own, and is so distinct that it cannot be commingled with any of the others. Seven such dispensations are usually distinguished, namely, the dispensation of innocency, of conscience, of human government, of promise, of the law, of grace, and of the kingdom. In answer to the question, whether God is then so fickle-minded that He must change His will as regards man seven times, Frank E. Gaebelein replies: “It is not God who has vacillated. Though there are seven dispensations, they are all one in principle, being throughout based upon the single test of obedience. And had man been found able to keep the conditions laid down by the first dispensation, the other six would have been unnecessary. But man failed. Yet, instead of casting off His guilty creature, God was moved with compassion, and gave him a fresh trial under new conditions. Thus each dispensation ends with failure, and each dispensation shows forth God’s mercy.”
A very interesting read about a topic I had never heard about (and I attended Sunday school regularly and have been attending Church my whole life). The Bible, then, it seems, can be viewed also as a history of these seven dispensations, beginning in Genesis and concluding with Revelation. Each of these seven "volumes" recounts the evolution of man's relationship with God and our failure to maintain that relationship. Through it all, however, God is merciful, making a new dispensation until at last sending forth his only Son to die for our sins, redeem us in the eyes of the Father, and open the gates of the Kingdom of Heaven to those who believe and follow Jesus Christ.
Osiris, the dispensational reading is one that definitely molds a better picture of God. His ways and revelation are more known to us and are setting a stage for our own way to meet him. One of the ways' you talk about stages - in God's relationship reminds me of the funny post I saw shared on Facebook. It was the TL;DR (Too Long; Didn't Read) Version (http://www.writingforums.org/threads/the-holy-bible-tl-dr-version.135761/) while a really lazy approach to it, but talks about the dispensational section of 6 areas, concluding every area with "Guys...". This didn't address the government structures adding to what would've been your seventh area.
DeleteMissed you Bro, glad you're with us on the squad!.
2. Names for Jesus and meaning. THE NAME CHRIST. If Jesus is the personal, Christ is the official, name of the Messiah. It is the equivalent of the Old Testament Mashiach (from mashach, to anoint), and thus means “the anointed one.” Kings and priests were regularly anointed during the old dispensation, Ex. 29:7; Lev. 4:3; Judg. 9:8; I Sam. 9:16; 10:1; II Sam. 19:10. The King was called “the anointed of Jehovah,” I Sam. 24:10. Only a single instance of the anointing of a prophet is recorded, I Kings 19:16, but there are probably references to it in Ps. 105:15 and Isa. 61:1. The oil used in anointing these officers symbolized the Spirit of God, Isa. 61:1; Zech. 4:1-6, and the anointing represented the transfer of the Spirit to the consecrated person, I Sam. 10:1,6,10; 16:13,14. The anointing was a visible sign of (a) an appointment to office;
ReplyDelete1Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.
John 5:19 NIV
Good verse and book section choices, Ish. I enjoyed that section from writings as well.
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5:20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all that he himself is doing. And greater works than these will he show him, so that you may marvel.
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Saintification
The Reformers in speaking of sanctification emphasized the antithesis of sin and redemption rather than that of nature and supernature. They made a clear distinction between justification and sanctification, regarding the former as a legal act of divine grace, affecting the judicial status of man, and the latter, as a moral or re-creative work, changing the inner nature of man.
(If i could underline or use emphasis on “moral re-creative work”)
Thanks Dave for continuing to provide us with very powerful resources
1) John 5:23 "that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him."
ReplyDelete2) THE NAME SON OF GOD.... In the New Testament we find Jesus appropriating the name, and others also ascribing it to Him. The name is applied to Jesus in four different senses, which are not always kept distinct in Scripture but are sometimes combined.
1. Messianic sense, 2. Trinitarian sense, 3. Nativistic sense, 4. Ethico-religious sense.
Good verse choice Alex!
Delete1) “In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.””
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2) I do my Blogging on my phone because I don't currently have Internet at my house, and I tried on two different browsers but I was not able to open the link. I will have to give my choice statement from the book tomorrow when I have access to a laptop
1. “For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will.
ReplyDeleteFor as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. And he has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of Man.” John 5:21, 26-27 ESV
2. 2. SIN ORIGINATED IN THE ANGELIC WORLD. The Bible teaches us that in the attempt to trace the origin of sin, we must even go back of the fall of man as described in Gen. 3, and fix the attention on something that happened in the angelic world. God created a host of angels, and they were all good as they came forth from the hand of their Maker, Gen. 1:31. But a fall occurred in the angelic world, in which legions of angels fell away from God. The exact time of this fall is not designated, but in John 8:44 Jesus speaks of the devil as a murderer from the beginning (kat’ arches), and John says in I John 3:8, that he sins from the beginning. The prevailing opinion is that this kat’ arches means from the beginning of the history of man. Very little is said about the sin that caused the fall of the angels. From Paul’s warning to Timothy, that no novice should be appointed as bishop, “lest being puffed up he fall into the condemnation of the devil,” I Tim. 3:6, we may in all probability conclude that it was the sin of pride, of aspiring to be like God in power and authority. And this idea would seem to find corroboration in Jude 6, where it is said that the fallen angels “kept not their own principality, but left their proper habitation.” They were not satisfied with their lot, with the government and power entrusted to them. If the desire to be like God was their peculiar temptation, this would also explain why they tempted man on that particular point.
Very good James. Lord, help us to walk humbly with you.
Delete1. John 7:16 Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me.
ReplyDelete2. There are clear evidences of belief in the existence of angels from the very beginning of the Christian era. Some of them were regarded as good, and others as evil. The general conviction was that all angels were created good, but that some abused their freedom and fell away from God. Satan, who was originally an angel of eminent rank, was regarded as their head. The cause of his fall was found in pride and sinful ambition, while the fall of his subordinates was ascribed to their lusting after the daughters of men. This view was based on what was then the common interpretation of Gen. 6:2. Alongside of the general idea that the good angels ministered to the needs and welfare of believers, the specific notion of guardian angels for individual churches and individual men was cherished by some. Calamities of various kinds, such as sicknesses, accidents, and losses, were frequently ascribed to the baneful influence of evil spirits.
Good work Michael.
Delete1. John 6 has so many verses ( see below)
ReplyDelete11 Jesus then took the loaves, and having given thanks, He distributed to those who were seated; likewise also of the fish as much as they wanted.
27 Do not work for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you, for on Him the Father, God, has set His seal.”
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.”
32 Jesus then said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread out of heaven, but it is My Father who gives you the true bread out of heaven. 33 For the bread of God is [i]that which comes down out of heaven, and gives life to the world.”
37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. 40 For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”
44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught of God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me. 46 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father.
57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also will live because of Me.
65 And He was saying, “For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father.”
2. Scriptural data Respecting the image of God in man: one interesting portion states " God “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” Gen. 2:7. The “breath of life” is the principle of his life, and the “living soul” is the very being of man. The soul is united with and adapted to a body, but can, if need be, also exist without the body. In view of this we can speak of man as a spiritual being, and as also in that respect the image of God. In this connection the question may be raised, whether the body of man also constitutes a part of the image. And it would seem that this question should be answered in the affirmative. The Bible says that man — not merely the soul of man — was created in the image of God, and man, the “living soul,” is not complete without the body."
Very good Israel! You went above and beyond the call of duty, finding and listing so many.
DeleteQuite a fascinating quote there from Berkhof. "the question may be raised, whether the body of man also constitutes a part of the image. And it would seem that this question should be answered in the affirmative. The Bible says that man — not merely the soul of man — was created in the image of God, and man, the “living soul,” is not complete without the body."
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ReplyDelete1. a. John 7:16 "My teaching is not mine, but His who sent me."
ReplyDeleteb. John 7:18 "He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but He who is seeking the glory of the One who sent Him, He is true, and there is no unrighteousness in Him."
c. John 7:28 "You both know Me and know where I am from; and I have not come of Myself, but He who sent me is true, whom you do not know."
d. John 7:33 "For a little while longer I am with you, then I go to Him who sent Me."
2. I do not see the full teaching. I only see the table of contents. Is something wrong?
Did you follow the directions and it still didn't work?
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