Tues.6.2.15...Principles of PERSUASION- part 2...Prov.17:1-13


Yesterday we noted that leadership is intentional influence. Godly leaders know there is a better way than the bad or mediocre lives many are living, so they must influence them or persuade them to follow. If he can't persuade, then he can't lead. "He that thinketh he leadeth and no one followeth, taketh a walk." So what are the keys to increasing your influence or PERSUASION powers? We looked at the following yesterday-
P- Pleasant words and tones. "Pleasant words make a man persuasive" Prov.16:21.
E- Encourage. Cheer their victories and comfort their sorrows. People will want to follow you.
R- Rapport. Build rapport or common ground. Look for at least one thing you both enjoy.
S- See their better future. Share how you believe going God's way will look for them.
U- Urgency. People often procrastinate. Help them to take action, sooner than later.

Let's now look at 3 more of the principles of effective communication which all leaders study and practice. And the one we will begin with now, is the probably the most important of all, yet some people cower from using it. It is...

A- Ask! Just ask! Jesus said, "Ask and it will be given to you" Mt.7:7. Little children are great at asking, but many adults now shy from it. I'm in sales and surprisingly some men need to be coached to ask for the order. They hem and haw, fearing rejection. Would they fear such if they knew that the person actually wanted what they were offering? Of course not. Stop fearing rejection. It's the doorway to more. Want to multiply many manly men, and thus make a great impact with your life? Then don't fear rejection. Ask! We all are committed to talking to at least one man a week about M3. Plus, we award you for asking others to join M3 (Remember, you get double points in the R column for every Christian man you talk with about M3.) Want to AMP up your results? Ask More People. 

Single guys, when you find Miss Right, at the right time, ask the big question.* Want a raise? Ask for it. Need help in some area of your life? Ask for it. And don't forget to ask God. "You do not have because you do not ask God" Ja.4:2. Ask for better terms or a discount. Ask for the desired position or better hours. Yes, you may need to prepare what you're going to say, especially if you're a bit nervous, but ask! On our summer vacation last year, we were discussing the power of asking as we ate at Arby's. On a dare, my son walked up to the counter and asked if he could have a free refill on a Jamocha shake. I couldn't believe it, when he came back with it! Ask!

S- Speak with conviction. Conviction is so convincing. Really believe in what you are saying and people will believe you. The apostle Paul spoke with such conviction, persuading both Jews and Greeks to turn to the Lord. Speak with conviction. Years ago I heard a tape recording of a message I delivered that was so monotone. Boring! I work at not being such. Do you need to work on expressing with conviction what you really believe? Then listen to others who speak with conviction and then work on your own persuasive style. One of the most convincing people I've heard speak about M3 is Jack Rogers. He speaks with such conviction and passion from his heart. He's even got a plan for taking M3 to other New Life pastors he knows. Wow!

I- Interest. Show sincere interest in others. People are interested in listening to those who are interested in them. So ask questions regarding things that are on people's HEARTS-such as their Home-life, Employment, Activities, Relationships, Travel and Spiritual interests. 

Here's a question that will take you to people's deepest interests and concerns- "If you could get help from anyone on anything, what would it be?" Then see if you know of any person, book or organization that could help them. Even if you can't, you will have helped them clarify things. If it's something sensitive they've shared, let them know you will be praying for them. Kindly ask later how they are doing with such. Show a genuine interest in people. Christ sure does with us! (See Phil.2:3-4 and then see Israel Fuentes' real estate business cards. He puts others' interests above his own. No wonder he does so well.)

The last two letters of PERSUASION are hugely important, but we will have to wait until tomorrow to reveal them.

1.- Read Prov.17:1-13 and pick a verse or phrase that grabs you and then share it with us.

2.- What's something you remember really wanting that you sought to persuade your mom or dad for? Or what's something a child of yours really sought to persuade you to get?

Announcements
*Way to go Gary! He proposed to Jacinda whom he has been dating for the past two years and she said, Yes! Here's a well known factoid for some of you and a surprise to others- Gary will be the son-in-law of Robert. Should we make a new standard for our daughters? "They are free to marry, so long as it's in the Lord and in M3." 

Welcome Jose Billegas! Jose has been saved and coming to New Life for only 6 months, so we are all  the more happy to have him with us. He just turned 28 this past Saturday and got married on the same day to Angela. He also just started a new job yesterday, yet all this is not stopping him from eagerly jumping in with us. So kudos to Jose! Also I want to commend George Doherty for inviting Jose to join. Men, there are guys out there like Jose who are eager to join. You just need to share with them your story, the M3-stories video (bit.ly/m3-stories) and encourage them to join. 

So good to see the way that several of you are serving so well and thus scoring so well on the board. The board is just a partial reflection of your love for others and the Lord. I'm right proud of you!


Please give Marcos R. and Guillermo a call of encouragement if they are on your fire team as they were MIA yesterday. Thanks!

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  1. Congratulations Gary may God continue to bless you.
    Welcome Jose Billegas, I trust that you will be greatly blessed as we seek God daily in M3
    Prov 17:13 "If anyone returns evil for good, evil will not depart from his house. "

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  2. 1) Proverbs 17:9 Whoever would foster love covers over an offense, but whoever repeats the matter separates close friends.

    May God's love supersede any offense that a friend has committed.

    Matthew 18:21-23 (NIV) Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?”

    22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.

    2) My daughter persuaded me to get her a bike. Since she is a straight A student it was easy for her. I went to the store and the only want she wanted was the one on display. The store did not want to sell it to me and I could not find another at other stores. I called another store that was far away and the only one they had was on display, but they were willing to sell it to me. I was still around the area of the first store, so I went back and told them that the other store was willing to sell me the display. My daughter got her bike and I didn't have to travel across Illinois to get it :) Persuasion!


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    1. I tell my girls when their good, good grades in school coming home after school not talking back why would I say no to them but when their being bad why should I say yes. their no getting their I-phone 6. take care GOD bless

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    2. Brother Sammy, "May God's love supersede any offense that a friend has committed." I come into agreement with your prayer!

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    3. Way to persevere and gently persuade Sam!

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    4. Very good post, Sam! I really like the verses you used here. That passage from Matthew is definitely going on my MP3 verse list!

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  3. 1. "Children’s children are a crown to the aged, and parents are the pride of their children." Proverbs 17:6
    2. I don't recall my kids asking or attempting to persuade me but that's possibly due to my lack of memory in old age. But I do recall when I was four, I'd watch the cartoon Popeye and actually believed I'd get strong if I ate spinach. I'd regularly ask my dad to buy me some and one day he caved in. Well needless to say, I didn't like nor eat the canned spinach. I have since developed a more mature palate and enjoy it. Even had it for dinner yesterday but I'm still perplexed that I haven't experienced the sudden rush of supernatural strength, ugh!

    My takeaway/lesson learned= "Be careful what you ask for, you may just get it!" (Author unknown)
    "Sometimes you have to get what you want to know that it's not what you really want" (My own)

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    1. Brother Jose Billegas, welcome to M3! The third best decision you've made next to receiving Christ into your life and getting married :-)

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    2. Ah, you've taken me down memory lane with you Robert regarding spinach. I like the fresh stuff a lot. still haven't developed a mature palate for the canned kind.
      Great quote of yours- "Sometimes you have to get what you want to know that it's not what you really want"

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    3. LOL. makes me want spinach. I think sometimes the H.S. can be treated as a supernatural boost minus work.

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    4. Funny story :) I love your takeaway lessons :)

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    5. Funny story :) I love your takeaway lessons :)

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  4. Congratulations Gary and Jose that is a big step may GOD bless you and your wife. I want to apologize to the men in m3 I work nights so I post in the morning from my laptop but at night when most of the post come in on my phone it wont let me respond/ their is so many good post, the names I can not remember be cause I read so many . I like Israel post he use his job to witness to people, William you are right a lot times I shrunk back on standing up for GOD, we should look at Israel and how he stepped up . To the guy who said his wife never gave up on him to go to church, if I had that much patience with any of the girls I knew maybe I would be married by now GOD bless you guy and for give me for no responding to your post,......proverbs 17;14 Starting a quarrel is like breaching a dam; so drop the matter before a dispute breaks out

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    1. Brother Florencio, "their is so many good post" yes, much growth has taken place to the glory of God!

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    2. Florencio we are so happy that you are part of M3 and despite your work schedule you make the effort to be faithful.

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    3. You are so appreciative Flo! Thanks for the good reminder verse too.

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  5. My girls want new phones because they broke their old ones, it hurts me but their not getting them from me

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    1. I have to agree with you, Florencio. Children should learn to care for the things they value. Unfortunately, we live in a disposable age. Everything can be upgraded, replaced, or "improved" with little effort. The things we buy aren't meant to last...they're meant to break justs around the time a newer model comes out. I would use this opportunity to be transparent about why you won't simply be purchasing new phones for them. It might turn into an exercise in persuasion for you as you try to persuade your daughters to accept this fact and have them come up with alternate solutions for how they might earn their new phone (in our day we collected aluminum cans, sold lemonade, mowed lawns, shoveled driveways...it built character, and responsibility).

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    2. GOD bless, I don't wan to get them one because I kept telling them to let me get them a good phone case like the one I have , they wanted their own case they picked out, when their phones broke neither of them had their case on. I guess their like me got get burned to learn... Than you take care and GOD bless

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  6. 1.Pro.17.3. The crucible for silver and the furnace for gold, but the Lord tests the heart.
    Jer.17.9. The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?

    2. My senior year in high school I persuaded my mother to help me get a brand new Ford Mustang fastback.

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    1. Brother George, nice, now that's persuasion! Do you still have it?

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    2. I asked for a Corvette for Christmas when I was 16 and I got it- made of yellow plastic in a box under the tree. :)

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  7. 1.Proverbs 17:10 A quiet rebuke to a person of good sense
    does more than a whack on the head of a fool.

    2.When I was a little kid I don't remember asking for anything in particular but I remember wanting to go out and do stuff. I would ask, "are we gonna sit like bumps on a log here in the living room all day?!" It didn't work all the time but a lot of times it did :-)

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    1. Brother Dave, sounds like a case of "cabin fever" :-) God bless you

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  8. I'm actually in the mist of getting persuaded my daughter wants me to take them to key lime cove when they go on summer vacation from school but she don't behave and insist on doing what she wants I told her she needs to show me she deserves to go but when I tell her that she gets mad and doesn't want to talk anymore so I guess she got a lot of persuading to do

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    1. Brother Jose, I've never had the pleasure of going there but I'm confident you'll have a great time with your family. God bless you

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    2. Here is a passage: And the Lord said to Cain, Why are you angry? And why do you look sad and depressed and dejected? If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin crouches at your door; its desire is for you, but you must master it. (‭Genesis‬ ‭4‬:‭6-7‬ AMP). I learned blame, shame and condemnation comes from the devil. So I pray for you to take responsibility in a Godly manner for your daughter. We all need to make it right with our kids in Gods sight. We all need to follow Jesus new commandments. Love God with all your mind, heart and soul. And also love your neighbors as Jesus loved us, so we can receive blessings. Neighbors do not mean generally the person next door, technically means people, and our children are people. Amen

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    3. Ah children! " Reminds me of an old song about children- Why can't they be like we were, perfect in every way? What's the matter with kids today?"
      Glad to have you have you with us Jose. Welcome to a great band of brothers!

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  10. 1.) Fire tests the purity of silver and gold, but the LORD tests the heart. (‭Proverbs‬ ‭17‬:‭3‬ NLT)

    God blesses those who patiently endure testing and temptation. But every person is tempted when he is drawn away, enticed and baited by his own evil desire (lust, passion). As the refining pot for silver and the furnace for gold [bring forth all the impurities of the metal], so let a man be in his trial of praise [ridding himself of all that is base or insincere; for a man is judged by what he praises and of what he boasts]. Here's the conclusion: I, the Lord, search human minds and test human hearts. I treat each one according to the way he lives, according to what he does.” (‭Jeremiah‬ ‭17‬:‭10‬ GNB).

    2.) My kids are grown, thank God! They were like born, "persuade". But now I have been persuaded and convinced that I'm a child of the Most High God.

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    1. Brother Marcos, "But now I have been persuaded and convinced that I'm a child of the Most High God." Amen!!!!

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    2. Amen Marcos I am so glad that you are a follower of God.

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  11. Proverbs 17:13 if anyone returns evil for good evil will not depart from his house

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    1. Jose welcome brother! Looking forward to you being a part of this MANLY group.

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    2. Thank you brother I'm glade to be apart of the group

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  12. 1. - Proverbs 17:9a, whoever would foster love covers over an offense.

    2. - I persuaded my mother to buy me the Nintendo system back when I was a kid. I was a good student and had perfect attendances. I have always work hard for the things I want and I value them much. I will show my family to work hard for the things they want to learn to value them.

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    1. Nintendo, nice! Oscar, that's a good value to instill for your family.

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    2. Keep on taking those bold steps, Oscar! Your memory took me back to simpler times.

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    3. Oscar it paid off to be a good student and a hard worker. Glad that you a a good job now.

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    4. Nintendo? How long has that been around? I grew up watching TV programs before the advent of color TV.
      Man, am I getting old!

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  13. 1. Hola hermanos! I'm out here in Queretaro. Spent my morning teaching some kids at an orphanage English. Fun stuff. I remember when I was in 8th grade asking my mom if I could go to a basketball game with my friends because I wanted to see a girl I liked. She said no. I threw a fit and ultimately she ended up letting me go. And lol, the girl didn't go. Guess it wasn't meant to be.

    2. This verse catch my attention:17:3The crucible for silver and the furnace for gold,
    but the Lord tests the heart.
    Love that the Lord tests our HEARTS. Like the fire tests the purity of gold, the Lord tests the purity of our hearts!

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    1. Brother Eddie! Blessings upon you in Queretaro. I had a similar experience with a similar ending. I drove my parents crazy about prom. After all their had work to help me prepare to male a good impression, I had to have my date back home by 9:00...one hour after I picked her up. Go figure. If I can provide you with any tools for teaching English via email, I will gladly help with what I can. Thank you for taking on this mission. I will keep you in my prayers.

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    2. Eddie so happy that you are able to serve the Lord in such a needy area of Queretaro. I am confident that God will use you in a mighty way.

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    3. Lord, we thank you for Eddie and pray that you would continue to fill and flow through him, reflecting Christ to the kids and adults.

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  14. Proverbs 17:3 "The crucible for silver and the furnace for gold, but the Lord tests the heart. " Our heart is more precious than silver or gold, and meant to endure greater trials than those to which silver and gold are submitted to be made stronger and more pure. God values our heart over riches. He presents us with opportunities, each day, by which our heart (our ability to love as He loves us) can be strengthened and purified. How is The Lord testing your heart today?


    God has not yet blessed me with children of my own, and my own attempts at persuasion as a child employed the use of logical fallacies, but I do become a pseudo parent to 130 teenagers each year. My students are constantly trying to persuade me (less homework, more free time, deadline extensions, etc.). In most cases, I don't mind acquiescing to their pleas. I encourage them to ask, even when the chance of success seems slim. In this way, I strive to model the relationship I would wish them all to have with God. He may not always give us what we ask for, because perhaps it isn't in our best interet to have it (God knows what is best for us...everything according to His will and in His own time). He does, however, have plans for each of us to prosper, as I strive for with my students.

    I want them to understand that they CAN ask, that someone IS listening, even to the pleas of a child, and that I value their needs. I cannot speak about God or the Word to my students at work, but I can certainly reflect God's love and help them develop habits of asking and thanksgiving. I can teach them The courage to knock and the discipline to persist until the door is opened onto them.

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    1. Very good Osiris. And I imagine you teach character qualities as well, with or without a curriculum.
      There is good material on animals and historical people regarding such.

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    2. Great insight my brother. Great job on the blog. Your bring great insight in all your blogs. Keep it up. GOD BLESS

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    3. Brother Osiris, "I can teach them The courage to knock and the discipline to persist until the door is opened onto them." very wise!

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  15. 1. Proverbs 17.10.ESV A rebuke goes deeper into a man of understanding than a hundred blows into a fool.

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  16. Proverbs 17:13 Evil will never leave the house of one who pays back evil for good. Life is to short to sweat the little things. We need to be good and pay good with good. As for evil God will take care of evil.

    When I was a kid I remember I want this car a friend was selling for a real good price. I pleaded with my father to buy it but he didn't. I learned in life if you want something you have to work for it. Also God will provide our needs. Our wants are another thing. If He thinks our wants will lead to getting what we need He will provide for it.

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    1. In my early twenties, serving as a missionary to youth, I had a car given to me. But then I found out I couldn't afford it- gas, insurance, repairs. Your dad may have spared you from a lot of debt and regret.

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  17. Congratulations Gary and Jacinda! God bless your marriage! Welcome brother Jose Billegas to M3. God is definitely moving in your life brother. Embrace it and don't stop because he has plans for you. God Bless!!

    1. Proverbs 17: 6 NIV "Children's children are a crown to the aged, and parents are the pride of the children."

    2. I remember as a child my mother and I going to Kmart. My fathers cousin was with us shopping. We lived on a fixed income. When we arrived my mother got our basics, soap, toilet paper, shampoo, etc. As we passed the toy isle and I saw the toy of all toy at the time. Its was Lion-o from Thundercats. I begged my mother for this toy and cried. After a while she returned everything she had and purchased Lion-O. My dads cousin started to tell my mother that she would of never purchased that toy figure for me. My mother told her that she just wanted to see me happy. Twenty years later I had my fathers cousin remind me if I remembered that situation. I said, Yes like it was yesterday. She explained to me that as a single person at the time it seemed only logical but now that she has children she too has been placed in the same situation. She explained to me how having her own kids, she enjoys seeing them smile and being happy mean the world to her. Now she realized what my mother was doing was to see me happy. Life lesson! What a parent would do for a child. As a parent I find satisfaction in seeing my kids being happy. Well I don't have the toy any more and my father was not happy but I played with that toy what seemed for years (weeks). God bless my mother for always making do for what we did not have. Love her with all my heart. She has always prayed for us and what a prayer worrier.

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    1. What a touching story and wonderful mother you have Horacio! Please tell her I said that.

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  18. The crucible is for silver, and the furnace is for gold, and the LORD tests hearts. - Proverbs 17:3

    2) I remember when I was younger I would ask my parents for a guitar. I wanted a guitar so bad because I wanted to learn to play it for parties and such, so all year I asked and asked then when Christmas came around I finally got it. I kept telling my mom I would play it if she got me classes and she did but I only went two times and never went back.

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    1. Hey Andre. I can relate. My older brother already had the guitar. I too wanted to learn to play. I was in sixth grade, took one lesson and quit, since the teacher only wanted to teach me to sight read notes, not play chords. A couple years later I took up the bass and practiced daily for a few years. Paid off. I was asked to play the bass for New Life in the early days. I happily handed the axe over to a friend when he later joined the church who was much better than I.

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  19. I typed a longer more elaborate response but when I attempted to post, it disappeared so here is a second attempt:

    1.- Prov.17:5- He who mocks the port shows contempt for the Maker

    OUCH. This hurts on so many levels. I will confess my own sins but if someone shares similar experiences or struggles, please pipe up so I'm not sulking in misery alone….

    I shamefully admit that I was, can be and sometimes will be critical of others.


    2.- What's something you remember really wanting that you sought to persuade your mom or dad for? Or what's something a child of yours really sought to persuade you to get? As a child, we frequently spent summers in Florida with my grandparents. One year, my brothers and I found a Chow Chow puppy. We convinced our mother to allow us to bring it home from Florida to Chicago where we would care for it and be the responsible, young dog owners that she expected us to be. The dog died. Not because of anything that we did or didn't do, she had contracted distemper, a puppy illness that we could not have detected prior to her being separated from her mother.

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    1. Ugh! Sorry to hear your work was eaten by the cyber monster Mark. Tech support doesn't know why this sometimes happens. Some of us have gotten in the habit of copying our work before publishing it as a safeguard.
      Here's another freak thing. I published what I just wrote you almost an hour ago. Somehow that disappeared.
      Anyway,thanks for sharing and being so vulnerable in regards to the verse you picked out. God's leaders lead with a limp. "We all stumble in many ways" Ja.3:2. Sad childhood story too.

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  20. 1. " Cildrens children are a crown to the aged, and parents are the pride of their children." Proverbs 17:6
    2. As I worked very hard to build a business, I also focused a lot on not spoiling my daughter as she grew up. Her friends parents were successful for the most part and were given many requested gifts, but I didn't grow up with a silver spoon and I wanted her to appreciate other things that money couldn't buy.
    She worked as soon as she was 15 1/2 and had to pay for wanted items but not her needs.
    She was committed to make it on her own and insisted that when married she would take care of all as a couple. Once married she began to take more of his position of our parents should help us. When she tried everything to get me to buy her a car-- I stood firm on the fact that she will respect herself more if she pays for it and 1 day she can pass that valuable trait in to her children. She appreciates it today

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    1. Wow! What excellent teaching and foresight Jack!

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    2. What a great advise for me to take brother.

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    3. Good things to keep in mind Jack! Well said brother!

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  21. 1) Evil will never leave the house of one who pays back evil for good. (‭Proverbs‬ ‭17‬:‭13‬ NIV)
    2) My oldest daughter has her ways of persuading me to getting her what she wants. If it's clothing, she starts off with looking them up on the internet, then she comes up to me and says "what do you think of this?" Then she goes on to "are we going to the mall anytime soon?" Before you know it she sporting new clothes and I'm a few dollars less

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    1. You and Jack ought to talk! :)

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    2. daughters have a way to melt fathers hearts. My daughter does the same to me god bless

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    3. What a heart you have for your daughter .

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    4. Ricardo, that is such a great opportunity for you to speak into your daughter's life. Both to guide her in modesty and to confirm to her how beautiful God made her.

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  22. Proverbs 17:9 Whoever would foster love covers over an offense,
    but whoever repeats the matter separates close friends.
    2- The one time I can remember I tried to convince my parents to buy me a car. I was 16 I just got my license. I was a straight A student. I was pulling all the stops to convince them that I deserve the car and the benefits of having a car. Well I didn't get a car till 2 years later, and I still have the car. Every time I get into the car it reminds me of all the hard work and patience it took me to get the car. I thank God he has blessed me with the car. Without him I would not have it.

    welcome to the team Jose

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    1. Very good Vince!
      Sure was nice to see baby Caleb with you Sunday. Please greet your wife for me.
      Caleb has been blessed with great parents.

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    2. Great story. Your suffering increased the value for you.

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    3. Brother Vince, "I thank God he has blessed me with the car. Without him I would not have it." gratitude, love it :-). You also took me down memory lane, I purchased my first car at 15 yrs of age with the money I earned working a part-time job. God bless you brother :-)

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  23. 1. Proverbs 17:11 An evil man seeks only rebellion, and a cruel messenger will be sent against him.
    2. I remember bugging my parents to get a cat when I was in 4th grade. They kept putting it off so I had a friend who was giving away kittens and I took one home without permission. I then asked if I can have it and they gave in since I already had it home. That cat lived for 14 years and as crazy as it sounds he was pretty much a part of the family.

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    1. I liked your cat story Chuy. Thanks for sharing it with us on M3.

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  24. 1. Proverbs 17 : 11 Evil doers seek only rebellion, and a cruel messenger will be sent against them.

    2. Everytime we go into Walgreens or Walmart my 19 month old son screams at the top of his lungs, BALLOON! BALLOON!!!! He wants the balloon so badly that alot of times we just give in and buy him a balloon :)

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    1. Haha can't wait until I enter into those roles my brother. Great verse as well

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    2. Brother Phil, "alot of times we just give in" persistence pays off :-)

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  25. 1. A rebuke goes deeper into one who has understanding Than a hundred blows into a fool. (‭Proverbs‬ ‭17‬:‭10‬ NASB)
    i hope to avoid a hundred blows. My 34 birthday punches are enough!
    2. I bugged my mom to death to get cable tv. She never did! But probably better off without it.

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    1. good one. I've been on both ends.

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    2. Brother Nic, yes! "an ounce of prevention is worth more than two pounds of cure" (Author unknown)

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  26. 1. Proverbs 17:10 "A rebuke impresses a discerning person more than a hundred lashes a fool."

    2. When I was little, I used to love I Spy books. I would spend hours at Borders looking at them. Anyway, I would always ask my parents for them. My parents did end up buying me a bunch, and I worked hard to take good care of them. Now, years later, I shared them with my two youngest brothers. Glad they got a lot of use.

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    1. Great verse to pick out, agree on it.
      what a great brother you are and now what a great godly brother of influence you will have on them

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    2. Agh yes! The iSpy books :) I remember those! Great job on all your posts Alex, and for always encouraging me.

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  27. http://bible.com/97/pro.17.1.msg A meal of bread and water in contented peace is better than a banquet spiced with quarrels.

    http://bible.com/111/pro.17.1.niv Better a dry crust with peace and quiet than a house full of feasting, with strife.
    Better to have just enough and content than to have a quarrelsome family.

    I remember as a child I would always want the next toy,bike, or gaming console. So I would always express how important it would be if I get this bike because it would entitle me as having some ownership to my parents that I am responsible for this bike or I would express the need of having gaming console because it would keep me from the "streets. Expressing the "need & importance". Fyi I didn't get every bike I wanted, through my life I only owned one. :)..

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    1. I remember getting my first new bike as a young boy in Logan Square, even though it did not last long, as it was stolen after the first summer :( Maybe it was for the best, as it was a "Pee Wee Herman Bike" :)

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  28. 1)
    Proverbs 17:3 The crucible for silver and the furnace for gold, but the LORD test the heart.

    Silver and gold are rare and valuable metals. By melting these metals in a furnace, the impurities rise to the top and can be removed by being scraped or poured off to make the metals even purer. Just as a furnace is used to purify valuable metals of silver and gold, so God can use trials and sorrows to purify a human heart so that it can love with a greater capacity.
    2)
    After I was born and not even a year old, my Dad purchased an electric train set as a Christmas present. He told my Mom it was for me. It was the larger gauge size. Every year he would purchase extra tracks, switches and accessories. I can remember back to one year that took by Dad all day to set up the train set, which took up the entire living room. Tracks went under couches and around tables. Some tracks raised off the floor on trusses, passing over other tracks below. My Dad had set it up with two separately controlled trains (mine and his) that could run at the same time that could crash into each other (accidentally) at the intersecting + cross tracks. Because it was so much work to put up, my Dad convinced my Mom to leave it up for about a week. I loved it so much. So about every three or four months I would ask and try to persuade my Dad to set up the train set again. Despite all my persuading, the train set would only get set up when my Dad was in the mood which were periods of over a year or two.

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    1. Good post, Mr. Heidekrueger! Thanks for the insight into the verse! By the way, that gift from your dad sounded really fun. I used to loved toy trains when I was younger.

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    2. Great story Dave, I was both happy and sad for you :) Glad you loved the train, but sad you did not play with it more often :( It all worked out for the best, as you are a man of God :)

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  29. Sorry but I'm having a problem I know I'm new and a lot of people don't know me but I'm in need of advice and don't know who to turn to I just recently got a job after 3 yrs its light easy work nothing back breaking but its become an issue between my wife and I she rather me get ssi instead, I'm against it but I want to keep her happy at the same time Im missing the way it feels to go out and earn money the feeling of being a man is missing I understand she is concerned about me going back to the hospital but I can't just sit around doing nothing anymore I don't know what to do anymore I don't know if this is OK for me to be posting this but I really need some advice can anybody please help me out I really don't know how to go about this

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    1. First, I want to welcome you to this Manly Group! You are in the right place at the right time, seeking godly wisdom and advice. Being out of work for 3 years is a long time, so I want to encourage you as a man of God to work hard and be the best employee that you can be, (literally!!). Your vision in the workplace should be to make your boss a success and in doing this, you honor your boss and God! I know that your wife loves you and is concerned for you, but Trust the Lord as it says in Prov 3:5-6 "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight."

      God has blessed you to work hard for your family, it is your responsibility to do so! I say that in love, Jose :)

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    2. I appreciate the advice brother I keep telling her its a sign from our lord to bless us with marriage and kids and now he blessed me with a job to become the man that I'm suppose to be for the family again thank you brother

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  32. 1. Proverbs 17:13 says "Evil will never leave the house of one who pays back evil for good." ---do not seek revenge my brothers!

    Romans 12:19 says "Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord."

    2. I used to try and persuade my mom not to go to high school :) It never worked :( I had no sales skills back then :(

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    1. Really like that verse in Romans! God has our back, leave it to HIM! Great choice :)

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  33. This is amazing to read some of the blogs.
    1-Proverbs 17:9

    Whoever would foster love covers over an offense, but whoever repeats the matter separates close friends.
    2- I actually got persuaded by my 9 year old but in a way that I was hoping to teach them a little more about. So I will put some money from time to time in my daughters piggy bank and they have learned to save their money and take a little at a time or none at all. So my 9 year old wanted some gym shoes and some jeans and some shirts but I was not able to buy all that stuff for her so she told me that she had money and that she wanted to spend some on the items she wanted so we ended up buying almost everything but she payed her half and I payed another half and it worked for both of us. I told her that there are times when you can purchase and treat yourself to certain items but ultimately she needs to save her money and try to manage her money to, she is a great sister, daughter, student. I guess it worked both ways here, in a way.

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    1. ThNks for sharing and verse 9 would've been my second choice.

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    2. Brother Guillermo, a win win situation, sometimes compromise is the solution! Great job :-)

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  34. Thanks to all for the encouragement and congratulations. I really do appreciate the support in this new season of life

    I remember as a child I would always plead with my parents to get Legos. When they did get in to getting a set I would put it together so fast that surprised them both. For me I was glad I was able to rebuild with the toy and appreciate when my parents bought those for me.

    Verse 17:10 stuck out to me:
    A rebuke goes deeper into a man of understanding than a hundred blows into a fool. Proverbs 17:10
    As I speak into people's lives and prepare myself for the time when correcting is necessary, I hope that i can continue to humbly guide people as opposed to the forceful persuasion that would hurt or break a relationship.

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    1. Brother Gary, very wise of you! "I hope that i can continue to humbly guide people as opposed to the forceful persuasion that would hurt or break a relationship." "Do two walk together unless they have agreed to do so?" Amos 3:3

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  35. Congratulations Gary!

    Welcome to M3 Jose!

    1 – Proverbs 17:9 Love prospers when a fault is forgiven, but dwelling on it separates close friends.
    2 – Last week Adrian tried to persuade us to let him stay home from school. He wasn’t sick or anything he just wanted a day off. We didn’t let him but he kept asking trying to justify it to use but we stuck together and made him go.

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    1. Sounds like something I would have tried lol, glad you stuck to your guns George! :))

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  36. I am really enjoying these posts pertaining to PERSUASION. Definitely eye opening, and exciting to learn ways that men lead in. So many great tools to even deepen relationships that are currently “Hello/Goodbye” situations. Looking forward to the last letters missing, and implementing these (hopefully soon!) in my conversations. Definitely loved HEARTS too. Such a great resource to bridging the gap between Small talk and Conversation.

    1) Reading through the book of Proverbs, I was really spoken to by the following:

    Proverbs 17:10 "A rebuke impresses a discerning person more than a hundred lashes a fool.”

    Wow, what a strong, and true statement. How different is a person who learns from mistakes of character, and does not keep dabbling in the pain of his foolishness. The hardest part about this reality is when you asre the fool, it isn’t always apparent to you. Sometimes, like me, you truly think you are fine and know whats going on. "I can take care of myself”….but you really can’t. I remember making the same mistakes over and over again, suffering the consequences over and over again, and still learning nothing. A vicious cycle of foolishness. Unfortunately, there are times where I still fall into this trap, but praise be to God, those times are fewer and fewer between. Learning to be discerning is an utmost in my heart, so a rebuke can lead me to understanding, and not consistent consequences.

    2) As I recall, my persuasion skills weren’t all that effective with my parents :-) I tried, but not too many victories come to mind. I do remember persuading my mom to let us take a half day of school once or twice (I was homeschooled). I remember looking for the reason we needed to take a half day, and then “logically” explaining that to her. I’m sure it was amusing to my parents at the least.

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  37. 1.- Prov.17:9 "Whoever would foster love covers over an offense, but whoever repeats the matter separates close friends." What better way than to always be in God's spiritual glory, in peace n harmony with yourself, everyone n everything. 1 Cor. 14:1 "Followed the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy." 2.- I remember persuading my parents to purchase a pair of roller skates from Maxwell street (lagara?). They were old, all steel and strapped around your shoes, we sure got the most we could from those cheap old skates, skating all day in front of house on concrete sidewalk. Great how the littlest of things can bring fun and joy to oneself when at such a innocent and carefree young life.

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  38. 1 Verse 10 stands out to me. I want to be a man who acknowledges his mistakes and learns from them so that I don’t keep repeating them.

    2 I remember my brothers and sisters and I persuaded my parents to give us an allowance for doing our chores. It only lasted 1 week; I guess my dad wasn’t too keen on paying 7 kids an allowance.

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    1. funny story :) I would have told your dad not to give an allowance either. I would have told him to give "Payroll or Commissions" as the kids only get paid for doing ALL of their chores or accomplishing ALL of their household responsibilities :)

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